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Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:09 pm
by Lady Alinor
Ohhh the PAIN!!!!

For the last year I've been trying to get a diagnoses for why I hurt so bad ALL of the time (even while I sleep).
I chose this doctor because she claims to have experience in alternative type approaches to medicine.
I've yet to see any knowledge of alternative medicine, she keeps pushing pills and more pills (painkillers and anti-inflammatories).
The Meloxicam she Rx'd me really wasn't a good choice on her part because it can be devastating to kidneys and I have a history of kidney stones and chemo put a lot of strain on my kidneys, so why in the world would she Rx it. I mention herbs and her eyes glaze over :roll: Yup, I chose my doctor well...lol...
The last many, many months I've been working on finding a good pain lowering herb match for what ails me. I've been working with two herbs at a time, the two are used for several weeks so that I truly know what 'will' work. The constant herb is St. John's Wort. I worked with Meadowsweet first (w/SJW) and am now working with White Willow Bark (long steep tea and tincture).
I don't know what my best approach is regarding inflammation, especially since I don't actually know the 'Why'.
Is the pain, spasms and stiffness all in my mind? Is it CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome)? Is it FM (fibromyalgia)?
Different causes for pain so different herbs...different reasons for inflammation, different herbs.

I started this thread so that we can share ideas, experiences and helpful links and articles.....
A link I found while on a search.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/05/1 ... medicines/

I keep a jar of candied Ginger here on the kitchen counter and a baggy of ginger in my backpack, the problem I have with using Ginger and Garlic daily is that they are what I call strong medicine, best saved for infections.
Turmeric, love it but can't seem to use it daily in the quantity needed for the medicine.

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:34 am
by RoseRed
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I know a woman who makes tumeric/honey balls (like we do with slippery elm bark) to get her daily dose of tumeric.

There's a line of thinking that CFS and FM are different extremes of the same illness. CFS main symptom is exhaustion followed by widespread pain and FMS main symptom is widespread pain followed by exhaustion. I haven't made up my mind on what I really think of this. From what I've seen - CFS and FMS usually walk hand in hand.

Have you done any research on Myofascial Pain Syndrome? It also walks hand in hand with CFS and FMS. The myofascia is the tendon/ligament type tissue (sinew) that encases the musculature systems.

Docs like to use the nerve pain pills (like Lyrica or Cymbalta), anti-seizure meds and anti-depressants for their work with nerve type pain. Some people find great relief - others suffer horrid side effects. Some states have enacted laws that you're now required to try these medications first before you're allowed to seek more medically traditional pain control (narcotics).

I've found great success with skullcap tincture as a muscle relaxant.

Dandelion leaf infusion (about 2 ounces) with a dropperful of root tincture and rosehip tincture has worked wonders for me.

Muscle rubs (usually with menthol) help a lot, too.

What most people don't realize is that if you can get the deep muscles spasms under control you can control the levels of pain better. You usually have to start with the top layers of spasms and work your way down to the deeper ones. If you try this - drink plenty of fluids to flush the toxins out or you'll feel like you were at the gym for hours the day before.

I've been suffering with this for almost 20 years. I've looked into a lot of alternative therapies. What's worked for my particular body may not work as well for yours - but we already know that.

I've found a lot of relief in acupressure (even though it hurts like hell while it's being done - the results are worth it.)

There is a massage technique called 'Strain/Counter-Strain. It's not commonly found among most masseuses but if you can find one - it'd be worth a few visits to see if it can help.

Also, looking into herbal remedies for Lupus can be quite helpful. I'm sure that in time, FMS and CFS will end up being classified as auto-immune. (I have no proof of this other than keeping up on the research.)

Have you looked into the Fibromayalgia Association? It's a wonderful resource.

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:05 pm
by Singingcrowsings
Hi there,

White Willow Bark infusions. It is a natural anti-inflammatory and pain killer. I have no experience with this, but have known about it for years.

Also, you might want to look into Calcium Bentonite clay or French Green clay. Mixing a teaspoon into 4oz of water then leaving over night and drinking in the morning 20-30 minutes before any food, will also help by pulling out the bad, adding in some good, and being a catalyst for cellular healing. I've used the French Green clay with much success. Too many benefits to list at the moment.

Hope this helps!

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:51 pm
by Lady Alinor
Thank you RoseRed and Singingcrowsings!

Here is an article about chronic pain written by Paul Bergner... "Pain: Botanicals and chronic pain"
http://www.medherb.com/Therapeutics/Pai ... m#_VPID_82
The 4th paragraph has me saying "Yes, exactly!"

Anti-inflammatory Moderating an inflammatory or allergic response.
So what is driving my inflammation? I don't eat processed foods, I avoid gluten, I don't use commercial made hair and body products....I like to blame Chemo, and all the anti this and that's that went with chemo in 2012, my oncologist hasn't been helpful he says because he knows cancer and deals only with cancer, my GP should address all else.

Paul mentions Cramp Bark for lower back and legs...today its my legs that are cramping/spasming

Susun writes using the 7 Rivers approach

http://www.menopause-metamorphosis.com/ ... yalgia.htm
The 'sore all-over' is right on! It shouldn't be taking half an hour to get up, and get dressed. Its not normal to be feeling like I couldn't move quick enough to save my life if necessary. I'm too young, I have too much to do ...lol... :lol:

7song has a "Herbal Medicines for Pain" chart

http://7song.com/files/Chart-Herbal%20M ... 20Pain.pdf
also since quite often pain walks with anxiety, sleeplessness and depression
http://7song.com/files/Chart-Herbal%20M ... 0Sleep.pdf

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:36 pm
by Singingcrowsings
Both of those links had the willow. So I might be onto something. Ha ha! ;)

But seriously check out the clay. It can remineralize bones, rebuild connective tissue, and is a catalyst for cellular healing. It's been used as a means to remove radiation from the body from Chernobyl (they put it in chocolate bars for people). And as a magnet would attracts the toxins (heavy metals, and chemicals), and parasites as it passes through your system to help remove them. I have experienced all of these. 1 tsp in 4 oz of water over night. Drink just the water at first and then incorporate some of the clay. Drink lots of water throughout the day.

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:00 am
by andreamartinez
All the information given above were helpful. As far as I know ginger helps as well by either drinking it or smash it and apply it to the affected area then covered it with clothes or plaster. I also found out different herbal product like fruits and and I discovered one fruit which is not common to our ears. The name is goraka fruit. It can only be found in Southeast Asia. But I'm very curious if this is also effective as anti-inflammatory properties.

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:54 pm
by NiklasTyreso
Lady Alinor wrote:Ginger and Garlic daily is that they are what I call strong medicine, best saved for infections.
Turmeric, love it but can't seem to use it daily in the quantity needed for the medicine.


Hello Lady Alinor

If your pain and muscle spasms are strong, why not eat the strong foods and herbal medicine?

Inflammation increase with age and it also increase with obesity. So for the antiinflammatory herbal medicines to work you might have to also have life prolonging eating habits and life prolonging exercise habits most days every week, as you know.

Eat slow carbohydrats, not refined sugar and sweetend products. Eat polysaturate fats and not much of the saturated milk fats.
Regularly consume the most health bringing foods like garlic, apples, cabbages, beans and peas, tomatoes, ground flaxseed and nuts.

You were on right track when you tried Meadowsweet and White Willow Bark that contains antiinflammatory salicylates.
I think you should also eat turmeric as a medicin (not just in food), half a spoon 2-4 times a day. I solve the turmeric in a half glass of water and drink it fast. Your body absorbs curcumin from the turmeric much better if you also add white pepper but that makes the drink more intense.

I the 19th century many believed that a good medicine should taste bad! The bitter taste of wormwood and horehound are still famous, but some generations ago they thought the extremely nasty smelling asafoetida were potent medicine.
So, do not be afraid of the tast of turmeric, just find a way to swallow it daily. Turmeric is one of the best and most used natural medicines all over the world.

Blessings!
Niklas

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:41 pm
by Lady Alinor
Thank you Niklas! Great advice.
I love turmeric though I've never tried drinking it....makes better sense than a capsule that could/will dissolve willy-nilly.

I have found that strict Gluten avoidance is a must, intense pain and stiffness are the first signs that I've been exposed.

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:24 pm
by Gwen
Have you ever considered ordering the turmeric in bulk as it is done with nourishing herbal infusions?

Re: Herbal Anti-Inflammatories

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:34 pm
by lalacurf121
but some generations ago they thought the extremely nasty smelling asafoetida were potent medicine.
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